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Comments: Meanwhile, in IFP-MAGA-ville, the village-idiot-kadkhoda has pulled the shutters (no posting link). No villagers left to question the gonde-gooz-"know-it-all" POS anyway. Pathetic.
Comments: Trump can claim success and has already said 'time for peace' and case closed. Iran can claim Fordow is still functional and Trump failed and since nobody was killed they will not hit American bases but keep hitting Israel. Then what?
Comments: IRINN, IRB2 and IRB3 have been live and reporting the news from Trump but have no details. It's now 4:30AM in Iran so official reation may come in a couple of hours. If they used MOAB it should have created some seismic reading but Qom residents report no such activity. IRNA reports that the sites attacked were wihtout any radiation producing material.
Comments: It seems this was a check made for Iran. No more negotiations in regards to nuclear program. It’s done! It might have as well been negotiated with IRI to keep them in power while not having the embarrassment of giving away the program. Nearly $100 billion gone and IRI yet still survives.
Comments: US has attacked 3 sites in Fordow, Natanz and Isfahan. No reports on the outcome of the attacks. No reaction from Iran yet.
Comments: Trump says US forces have attacked Iran The president says in a social media post that the US has conducted “very successful” strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities at Fordow, Natanz, and Isfahan and that all planes are now out of Iranian airspace. “We have completed our very successful attack on the three Nuclear sites in Iran, including Fordow, Natanz, and Esfahan. All planes are now outside of Iran air space,” Trump said in a post on Truth Social. “A full payload of BOMBS was dropped on the primary site, Fordow. All planes are safely on their way home. Congratulations to our great American Warriors. There is not another military in the World that could have done this. NOW IS THE TIME FOR PEACE! Thank you for your attention to this matter.”
Comments: U.S. ATTACKS IRAN: President Donald Trump posted on Truth Social on Saturday that the U.S. "completed a successful attack." B-2 BOMBERS HEADED TO GUAM: Several B-2 bombers took off from Whiteman Air Force base overnight and are headed to Guam, according to two defense officials. CONFLICT ENTERS 9TH DAY: Iran sent a missile barrage into Israel early this morning, sending millions into bomb shelters but with no reported casualties. Israel continued to strike military sites in Iran.
Comments: It’s hard to find reliable information about this war. There are so many fake videos on both sides. Lots of rumors without evidence. I read that 2 Chinese plans landed in a remote area in north eastern part of Iran carrying latest rockets that Iran used yesterday. They believe more are coming from China. It is also rumors that China is giving Iran few anti aircraft rockets that could potentially hit the B2 if U.S. decides to use it. I can verify any of these. Could be all BS. I’m hoping the rumors alone give US a pause. If they actually lose a B2 bomber, that would be a disaster!
Comments: Casualties and disruptions Israel’s defence minister said that Israeli forces killed three senior commanders of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC). The IRGC said five of its members had died in Israeli attacks. At least five people were killed in Israeli attacks in the Iranian city of Khorramabad. An Israeli aircraft struck a residential building in Qom, killing a 16-year-old and injuring two people. Hussein Khalil, a former bodyguard for Hezbollah’s slain leader Hassan Nasrallah killed in an Israeli strike on Tehran. Iran’s Fars news agency quoted Health Minister Mohammadreza Zafarghandi as saying Israel had struck six ambulances and three hospitals, killing two health workers and a child in the attacks. Iran’s deputy health minister said the department was preparing to treat any victims suffering from the effects of Israel’s continued targeting of the country’s nuclear capability, “in the event that nuclear reactors are targeted”. Tasnim News Agency reported Iran’s information minister as saying that access to “international” internet should be fully restored across the country by 8pm on Saturday. Iran’s health ministry said that Israeli strikes over the past nine days had killed at least 430 people and wounded approximately 3,500. In Israel, Iran’s strikes have killed at least 25 people. The head of Qom province’s intelligence police said the force had arrested 22 people “on charges of being connected to the Zionist regime’s spy services” since Israel’s assault on the country began on June 12.
Comments: Israeli air strikes hit a key nuclear site in Iran’s Isfahan province. An Israeli army spokesperson said the air force “struck the central facility along with buildings used to produce centrifuges”. The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) confirmed that a centrifuge manufacturing workshop at the site was hit, adding that there was no nuclear material at the site and therefore no radiological consequences. The deputy governor of Isfahan said the cities of Lanjan, Mobarakeh, Shahreza and Isfahan were targeted. Iranian media reported a drone attack on Isfahan later. Israeli forces also hit a military installation in Shiraz. Fars news agency reported attacks on two cities in the oil-rich province of Khuzestan, saying “frightening explosions” were heard in the provincial capital of Ahvaz and a large column of smoke had risen above the port city of Mahshahr. In other Israeli attacks, defence systems were activated over Najafabad, while explosions were reported in Malard. There were also reports of attacks on Tehran. The Israeli military’s chief spokesperson said the army had been told to be prepared for a “prolonged campaign” to destroy Iranian targets. The Iranian army said that the seventh and eighth stages of launching dozens of “destructive” drones towards Israel had been carried out, with a report saying “most of the drones hit the intended targets”. Iran’s armed forces threatened to strike shipments of military aid to Israel, warning that “any military or radar equipment by boat or aircraft from any country to assist the Zionist regime” would be considered a “legitimate target”. The Israeli army said it had shot down approximately 40 drones launched from Iran. German newspaper Bild reported that Israel’s foreign minister claimed that attacks on Iran had delayed the country’s prospects of creating a nuclear bomb by “at least two or three years”. Explosions were heard above Tel Aviv, where buildings were seen on fire. In central Israel, the emergency services released images showing fire on the roof of a multistorey residential building. A spokesperson for Yemen’s Houthi group, in a video statement, threatened to attack US “ships and warships” in the Red Sea should Washington get involved in Israel’s campaign against Iran.
Comments: Israel seeks swift action on Iran, sources say, with a split U.S. administration
Comments: The mood in Tehran. https://t.me/mrtahlilgar/62359
Comments: 🔹رئیسجمهور در پاسخ به تماس همتای فرانسوی گفت: به صفر رساندن فعالیتهای هستهای را بههیچوجه نمیپذیریم و در برابر تداوم تجاوز رژیم صهیونیستی پاسخ ما کوبندهتر و قاطعانهتر خواهد بود. 🔹مکرون هم گفت: در گفتوگوی قبلی با جنابعالی تأکید کردم که در حمله نظامی اسرائیل به ایران مشارکت نداشتیم و از آن حمایت نکردیم. از نظر فرانسه هر حملهای به مراکز غیرنظامی و هستهای محکوم است.
Comments: خبرنگار لوموند فرانسه در حیفا: در اینجا شاهد تبعیض بین یهودیان و اعراب از حیث تخصیص پناهگاه هستیم. دولت اسراییل اغلب پناهگاههای امن را در محلات یهودینشین ساخته و تجهیز کرده است، اما عربهای فلسطینی ساکن حیفا در زمان حملات موشکی و پهپادی جایی برای پناه گرفتن ندارند.
Comments: Enter Iranian drones. Apachi is too late to arrive. https://t.me/mrtahlilgar/62418
Comments: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Dv30OTCESQ&ab_channel=OneindiaNews
Comments: Trump doesn’t like to lose! He will enter the war if he feels it will be a total victory. Can anyone guarantee that? What does victory look like anyway? Regime change? What will cause this regime to collapse? War is not the answer, at least this type of war. Will a total collapse of military is the answer? How do you achieve that?
Comments: The current debate over bombing Iran is surreal. To begin with, bombardment is unlikely to lead to a satisfactory outcome. If history has shown one thing, it is that achieving a lasting resolution by bombing alone is almost impossible. There was a reason the United States sent ground forces into Iraq in 2003, and it was not to plant democracy. It was that American officials believed they could not solve the problem of Saddam Hussein’s weapons programs simply by bombing. They had tried that. The Clinton administration bombed Iraq for four days in 1998. At the end, they had no idea what they had destroyed and what they hadn’t. They certainly knew they had not put a permanent end to the program. In 2003, if George W. Bush thought he could have permanently ended Saddam’s weapons programs by bombing alone, he would have taken that option. Iran today poses the same dilemma. America’s weapons may be better than they were in 2003, its intelligence capabilities greater, and Iran may be weaker than it was even a year ago, but the problem remains. Bombing alone will not achieve a verifiable and lasting end to Iran’s nuclear program. It can buy time, and Israel’s strikes have done that. American strikes could extend that period, but a determined Iranian regime will likely try again. A permanent solution would require a far more intrusive international verification regime, which in turn would require a ground presence for protection. However, that is not the main reason I oppose bombing Iran. Nor is it the reason I find the discussion of all of this so bizarre. You would never know, as The New York Times churns out its usual policy-option thumb-suckers, that the United States is well down the road to dictatorship at home. That is the context in which a war with Iran will occur. Donald Trump has assumed dictatorial control over the nation’s law enforcement. The Justice Department, the police, ICE agents, and the National Guard apparently answer to him, not to the people or the Constitution. He has neutered Congress by effectively taking control of the power of the purse. And, most relevant in Iran’s case, he is actively and openly turning the U.S. military into his personal army, for use as he sees fit, including as a tool of domestic oppression. Whatever action he does or doesn’t take in Iran will likely be in furtherance of these goals. When he celebrates the bombing of Iran, he will be celebrating himself and his rule. The president ordered a military parade to honor his birthday. Imagine what he will do when he proclaims military success in Iran. The president is working to instill in our nation’s soldiers a devotion to him and him alone. Imagine how that relationship will blossom if he orders what he will portray as a successful military mission. Indeed, I can think of nothing more perilous to American democracy right now than going to war. Think of how Trump can use a state of war to strengthen his dictatorial control at home. Trump declared a state of national emergency in response to a nonexistent “invasion” by Venezuelan gangs. Imagine what he will do when the United States is actually at war with a real country, one that many Americans fear. Will he tolerate dissent in wartime? Woodrow Wilson locked up peace activists, including Eugene V. Debs. You think Trump won’t? He has been locking people up on flimsier excuses in peacetime. Even presidents not bent on dictatorship have taken measures in wartime that would otherwise be unthinkable. Then there is the matter of terrorism. What if Iran is able to pull off a terrorist attack on U.S. soil in retaliation for an American strike? Or even just tries and fails? The courts will permit a president almost anything in the aftermath of an attack: Any restraints they’ve put on Trump will vanish. The administration may claim that anti-terrorism laws permit it to violate the rights of American citizens in the same way that it is currently violating the rights of the noncitizens being scooped off the streets by masked men. The attorney general has already threatened to use terrorism statutes to prosecute people who throw stones at Tesla dealerships. Imagine what she will do to anti-war protesters with the justification of a real terrorist threat. Finally, there are the global implications. The United States is currently ruled by anti-liberal forces trying to overturn the Founders’ universalist liberal ideals and replace them with a white, Christian ethnoreligious national identity. American officials are actively supporting similar anti-liberal forces all around the world, including the current anti-liberal ethnoreligious government of Israel. Any success Trump claims in Iran, whatever its other consequences, will be a victory for the anti-liberal alliance and will further the interests of anti-liberalism across the globe. This is true even though the current regime in Iran is itself anti-liberal. Should the mullahs fall, Trump and Israel are likely to support a military strongman against any democratic forces that might emerge there. That has been Israel’s policy throughout the region, and even presidents who did not share Trump’s proclivity for dictators, such as Barack Obama, have acquiesced to Israel’s preferences. I’m not interested in using American military power to make the world safer for dictatorship. I might feel differently if Iran posed a direct threat to the United States. It doesn’t. The U.S. policy of containing Iran was always part of a larger strategy to defend a liberal world system with a liberal America at its center. Americans need to start thinking differently about our foreign policy in light of what is happening in our country. We can no longer trust that any Trump foreign-policy decision will not further illiberal goals abroad or be used for illiberal ends at home. Today, the United States itself is at risk of being turned into a military dictatorship. Its liberal-democratic institutions have all but crumbled. The Founders’ experiment may be coming to an end. War with Iran is likely to hasten its demise. Not that it matters, but count me out.
Comments: The war has “softened the divisions we had, both among each other and with the general public,” Mr. Abtahi said. Israel’s attacks have set off a resurgence of nationalism among many Iranians, inside and outside the country, including many critical of the government. That sense of common cause has emerged in a torrent of social media posts and statements by prominent human rights and political activists, physicians, national athletes, artists and celebrities. “Like family, we may not always agree but Iran’s soil is our red line,” wrote Saeid Ezzatollahi, a player with Iran’s national soccer squad, Team Melli, on social media. Hotels, guesthouses and wedding halls have opened their doors free of charge to shelter displaced people fleeing Tehran, according to Iranian news media and videos on social media. Psychologists are offering free virtual therapy sessions in posts on their social media pages. Supermarkets are giving discounts, and at bakeries, customers are limiting their own purchases of fresh bread to one loaf so that everyone standing in line can have bread, according to videos shared on social media. Volunteers are offering services, like running errands to checking on disabled and older residents. “We are seeing a beautiful unity among our people,” said Reza, 42, a businessman, in a telephone interview near the Caspian Sea, where he is taking shelter with his family. Using only one name to avoid scrutiny by the government, he added: “It’s hard to explain the mood. We are scared, but we are also giving each other solidarity, love and kindness. We are in it together. This is an attack on our country, on Iran.” Narges Mohammadi, a Nobel Peace Prize winner and the country’s most prominent human rights activist, has spent decades in and out jail, pushing for democratic change in Iran. But even she warned against the attacks on her country, telling the BBC this past week that “Democracy cannot come through violence and war.”
Comments: I’m not sure if US has a plan in place. Let’s assume they hit the nuclear sites and actually destroy them! Then what? What do they expect to happen afterwards? People rush to streets in the middle of war and kick the regime out? Will the regime forces just leave? The only person who will benefit is Yaboo! It won’t help Iran or Iranian people. U.S. gets no benefit other than possibly get involved in another stupid war. Regime change will not happen by air and destruction. Hitting the top generals would have been useful for regime change but hitting everything else, including residential areas in major cities can’t be good for anyone other than the regime to get even more aggressive towards civilians. I personally don’t see any good to come out of this. |
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